Find New People to Play Again Melee

Varist

Two propositions for you guys, one full general, ane specific.

Specific: I know someone who'southward completely new to Melee.
They've simply played Brawl on the Wii, e'er Items On, e'er Time lucifer, only really used Peach.
They have never played any game competitively.
I play Melee hours everyday, and every time they come over to my house, I'm playing it at to the lowest degree a portion of the time.
I feel like I'm neglecting them, simply there actually isn't that much to do at my house.

It's really important that I get this person into Melee.
How would yous recommend I go about it without scaring them off?

General: How can you introduce a very uncompetitive person to a competitive game?
If they have something to gain from playing Melee, and they know they practice, but it has not (up to that point) been in their nature to play competitively, how can they exist shifted toward competition?
Observe that everyone enjoys doing something competitively, in some aspect of their life, however minor.

Warhawk

Maybe they'll be more into it if, in addition to having y'all to play, you detect someone equally similarily unskilled at the game equally them then that they don't feel every bit overwhelmed by the long road they'll accept to travel for this game and they can try to grow and learn together and take more fun doing it that fashion. I really tin can't think of annihilation else to suggest for that... I mean pretty much they have to exist competitive and they take to want that improvement. Unfortunately if they don't then they don't and that'south usually it with zip else you can do to try and convince them better of it seems.

Krynxe

Though y'all are right about having another person Warhawk, there are large downsides. The first problem is when they play one another, they'll both brand very bad mistakes and either not learning anything, or pick upward bad habits that only work on other bad players. The second is the mindset, they'll just want to play one another because information technology's "the merely mode they'll win" and every fourth dimension they play you they'll walk in with an "I'm going to lose, anyways" attitude. This is what I've experienced with my friends, anyways.

choknater

i think allowing them to spotter tournament footage and high stakes matches westward/ good commentary is very very heady.

you'll as well discover their competitive drive by playing them and chirapsia them. if they get salty, or complain, or say "i don't play this game" or some kind of noob johns like that, simply let it slide because you know y'all have practiced. if you tell them no johns and stuff, information technology might simply demotivate them.

however, if it actually makes them wanna get improve at the game, you lot know yous have a winner.

KingClubber

Some are but not competitive video game players, but since they already know how to play smash the long procedure of teach them how non to impale themselves is out of the fashion.

What you lot take to do now is inspire them. Exercise a scrap of show, and tell without forcing them to play. Y'all can do information technology yourself by showing them the best moves and tricks you lot've learned, or showing them how effective they're favorite characters can play in Melee compared to brawl without just out right saying melee is meliorate.

Your going to become complaints most the differences between the two games, and you might take to play the friend menu just to get them to endeavor it out, only practice it discreetly.

One time yous do get them to play, don't become wiping the flooring with them across FD, choose a pretty okay character from the mid tiers and let them choose the stages they desire to attempt. At present is going to come up the hard function for yourself more then them, your going to accept to expect for them to ask " You " if yous want to play melee, that'south when you'll know they interested in playing more, if they don't ask yous might have to repeat the precess few times, going to be upwardly to your ain patience from here on how long your willing to exercise this.

Once they do start asking you to play, y'all can step up your game a bit, but endeavor to requite them a salubrious dose of victories, take a few hits, accept a fall. Trust me giving your friend the illusion of beating you lot sooner or afterward will help a lot later. When i play, my bro's e'er try to have me a one stock before they lose. If yous do things right, teach them new things, and go along them on the edge of they're seats they'll shortly enough get to the indicate where you lot don't have the hibernate the fact your taking information technology easy on them.

Once they reach this point, destroy them, and keep doing it. This will be the indicate of no return, they either will climb or autumn. It's going to be upward to them to get better or not. My bro'due south choose to fall, which atomic number 82 to me not having no i to play with with all my friends either quitting smash (Still blaming Brawl) or moving away. Hope you get better results.

Besides no Melee Slang, saying things like Scrub, Johns, or **** volition only discourage them. Besides the community will never get better if you go along going around saying such things. I can just see it now, Flyers with the word **** at a High-School Sport game. LOL!

Sinji

I showed a SSF4 actor the Fleet movie and he said he wanted to take upwards peach as his first master.

Krynxe

Idk Chok, I think it's ameliorate to get the notion on "no johns" in their head asap. Knowing how to have practiced mentality is i of the most important things when trying to get adept.

General Heinz

Some are just non competitive video game players, but since they already know how to play boom the long process of teach them how not to impale themselves is out of the fashion.
Once you do get them to play, don't go wiping the flooring with them across FD, choose a pretty okay character from the mid tiers and let them choose the stages they want to try. Now is going to come the hard function for yourself more then them, your going to have to wait for them to enquire " You " if you lot want to play melee, that'south when you'll know they interested in playing more, if they don't ask y'all might have to echo the precess few times, going to be upwards to your own patience from here on how long your willing to practice this.

This is probably the first office to realize. Some people only aren't going to want to play competitively at all because they either find it stupid to begin with to play a video game competitively (later on all, how could a "child's game" POSSIBLY crave so much skill? Don't make me laugh!) or just take to make the excuse that it'southward a dumb game because you beat their *** so hard.

Both of those are true for what happened with me and my roommate. To brainstorm with he doesn't actually play video games (unless it's NBA 2K11) and he definitely doesn't play them competitively (unless it'southward for money, and he'd never exist stupid plenty to MM me in smash). That coupled with the fact that he somehow thinks Ball is far superior (based solely on the evidence that "Kirby suckssss in Melee"--and what, he'due south god-tier in Brawl?) and the fact that I almost never gave him a gamble to win in any of our matches (which, to be off-white, was entirely my error) ways that basically the only time he'll ever play is when we're both loftier every bit ****, and even then he ragequits after I take his starting time ii stocks every match until we've played...three matches. And so he says "this game sucks" and goes to bed.

So to be perfectly frank, if you take to TRY to get someone into this game, I personally think it's about guaranteed not to piece of work. There's likewise much mental and technical practice that has to exist accomplished to be whatever good, and to do that you lot have to WANT to play. That said, I guess there are things you tin practice to encourage people (like not chirapsia the piss out of them at the outset), but for the near function if they won't do it themselves they won't do it at all.

Acryte

Who knows, I tried showing a kid the ariquenuubs vid and he got bored of watching and started playing cps... uuugh. Approximate he wants to play but damn I thought he was gonna **** himself. I was kinda sad.

kevo

I'm a competitive person by nature, and I kinda picked upwardly Melee alongside my friend afterward we watched tourney vids and stuff. We didn't have also much direct guidance, we simply read about techniques and tried them out. The thing that got united states hooked was that nosotros wanted to be better than each other.

dettadeus

@Specific:
I recently became the "Smash proficient" in my area, and a lot of my friends ask me about competitive boom on a regular ground. Things like "who would win between *insert character here* and *insert other character here*?", often followed upwards by "merely can't *insert character here* do *insert attack/strategy here*?" and stuff similar that. A lot of times, I'll have them come over to my house and I'll show them how the match would actually play out. Equally they flail to practise any they said they thought would be game-changing I beat the crap out of them. Withal, I practise it in a fun way. Oftentimes I start them off with a lucifer they're more likely to win (having two friends on a team confronting me, items on but I won't employ them etc). When they realize the feeling of winning against someone y'all know has years more experience then you lot is pretty awesome, I force them to work harder at getting that feeling. I turn items off, set the match to iv-stock 8-minute, restrict stages to those on the legal phase list, play as better characters, things like that.
In brusk, you have to make winning then much of a reward to them that they'll piece of work at it until they can practise information technology on your terms.

@General: Once again, being the best blast player in the firsthand area (within reasonable biking range) my friends claiming me often. It's pretty easy for them to see that they're not going to beat me any fourth dimension soon if they don't become competitive-minded players. However, they all desire to beat me (eventually) on relatively equal playing grounds. During normal matches, I'll often tell them ways to have advantage of the weaknesses of whatever character I'm playing so they take a amend chance of winning. I'll also point out things they take to finish doing or exercise much less, as well as things they should do more oftentimes. I actually converted i of my friends from Casual to semi-competitive recently. Earlier, we used to play a lot of "Behemothic heavy curry metallic bloom fast 99-stock on Bridge of Eldin" matches, which were freaking hilarious to picket but obviously not competitive in whatsoever way. Nowadays he's interested in beating my R.O.B. with his Pikachu or ZSS, and often asks for help with finding strategies and such. I recently showed him how to Glide-Toss (the first real AT he'southward trying to learn) and so he could improve corruption ZSS's arrange pieces and R.O.B.'s Gyro.

Super tl;dr just make information technology fun or rewarding for them to win against you then make them work for the win.

Massive

I know someone who'south completely new to Melee.
They've simply played Ball on the Wii, always Items On, always Time match, just actually used Peach.
They accept never played any game competitively.
I play Melee hours everyday, and every time they come over to my house, I'm playing it at least a portion of the time.
I experience like I'k neglecting them, merely there really isn't that much to do at my house.
Information technology's really of import that I get this person into Melee.
How would you lot recommend I go well-nigh it without scaring them off?

From the (bolded) evidence presented and the lack of gender pronouns, this appears to be a girl.

Good ****ing luck with that.
Most girls volition never express plenty interest in the game to be competitive. Many times they'll play just to make you happy, but it rarely goes much further than that.

It is a sad, sad state of affairs I wish was non and then.

kevo

haha squeamish read, Massive. Can't get anything past the eyes of Smashers.

I know exactly what you lot mean. While in that location are undoubtedly girls out that that kick serious butt, I've never really met i that has that drive to be really skilful. My girlfriend doesn't "become" how I can play the same character on the same phase for hours on end. "But... but every game is unlike!"

King5280

This is probably the start part to realize. Some people just aren't going to want to play competitively at all because they either detect it stupid to begin with to play a video game competitively (after all, how could a "child's game" Maybe require then much skill? Don't brand me laugh!) or just have to make the excuse that it's a dumb game because you beat their *** then hard.
Both of those are true for what happened with me and my roommate. To begin with he doesn't really play video games (unless information technology'south NBA 2K11) and he definitely doesn't play them competitively (unless it'southward for coin, and he'd never be stupid plenty to MM me in nail). That coupled with the fact that he somehow thinks Ball is far superior (based solely on the evidence that "Kirby suckssss in Melee"--and what, he'south god-tier in Brawl?) and the fact that I nearly never gave him a chance to win in any of our matches (which, to be fair, was entirely my mistake) means that basically the simply fourth dimension he'll ever play is when we're both loftier equally ****, and fifty-fifty then he ragequits after I take his first two stocks every friction match until we've played...three matches. Then he says "this game sucks" and goes to bed.

So to exist perfectly frank, if yous take to TRY to get someone into this game, I personally remember information technology'south almost guaranteed not to piece of work. There'south too much mental and technical practice that has to exist achieved to exist whatever practiced, and to practice that you have to Desire to play. That said, I guess at that place are things you can do to encourage people (like non beating the piss out of them at the get-go), simply for the almost part if they won't do it themselves they won't practise it at all.

i loled at this. When he gets high he'll always play like two games with united states of america and quit. and the whole fourth dimension he'll insist that falco'southward up-b is an amazing attack.

commonyoshi

Massive just won this thread and several threads around it.

Hydro_Smasher

I'd accept the egoraptor approach and be all like

WANT A FIGHTING GAME THATS FUN DIFFFERNT CHALLENGING AND REWARDING-
BAZAMMMMMMMMMMMM

MELEEE

OH MAH GAWD THIS GAME IS And then FRIGGIN FUN ITS GOT 26 CHARECTERS AND SOME COLORFUL GRAPHICS THAT DIFFER FROM ALL THE HD Vivid CRAP THAT Brawl OFFERS

THE MUSIC OH DAAAANG SON

DREAMLAND 64

DUN DUN DUNDUNDUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUNDUNDUNDUNDUN DUN DUNDUNDUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUNDUNDUNDUNDUN DUN DUNDUNDUN DUN DUN DUN DUN DUNDUNDUNDUN

PLAY THIS GAME ITS GOOD

Popopidopop

Make a scene!

Alright, Ill tell you how I got my friends into melee, when I was really the only one who totally wanted to play it...

Step 1.

Have your gamecube to your highschool xD
During the god damn long lunchbreak when all ur friends are hanging in the deli, u and your closest friends are playing nail and having a blast...
BANG every1 wants to be good at smash cuz its the cool thing xD.
OBSERVE!!!
This would prolly not piece of work unless you happen to be in a natural science highschool or something similar xD.

Step 2.
I happened to be the all-time, still far below whatever community or advanced tecniques merely yet a very competitve person tin go far with good spacing and mindgames, (Hell I bought the game in the first place cuz I kept losing to my best friend while trying it at his place )
and then I but made little noob tournaments with some other guy who liked brawl aswell (yawn) only with both games it was sure to be a success!

Later a while though but i of my friends was really set for taking it to the final lvl... seeking out the competitive scene in Stockholm Sweden.

Thanos828

Last twelvemonth i of my friends who's into the competitive scene of Smash 64 used to bring in SSB64 to school to play in the mornings and afternoons. He graduated last year, so I decided to proceed the tradition, but with Melee (because those are the only humans I can really get to play [hooray for living in the middle of nowhere!]). Just past playing really well (against them, apparently) and simply noting the community and good players a couple of times I've sparked involvement in some of the better players (the ones that play smart and don't SD every thirty seconds) nigh the competitive scene.

EthereaL

I was going to brand some dry comment nearly it being a daughter, then I read further and saw Massive's post. Jerk.

That said, melee can be a girl'southward game. However, from what you've said, she doesn't have much of a competitive drive...so...haha.

SpeedyJ

I accept kind of the same problem. Here'due south my 2 cents.

How would you recommend I go virtually it without scaring them off?
Don't completely own them. Don't exist hateful and requite false hope by letting them call back they are winning and then ain them anyway only don't just completely destroy them or spam inexpensive stuff a newbie won't exist able to get around similar laser spam or concatenation grabs.

How can you innovate a very uncompetitive person to a competitive game?
Just betrayal them to the game and play with them a lot. Its what I did and as y'all get, guide them. Like if they find themselves simply spamming i move, explain to them why it is bad and then recommend what other options they have. Also show them some competitive videos and if they find them interesting, show them more.

What I did was subsequently my friend became genuinely interested I offered him "help" and he was happy about it. Then I sent him lots of youtube tutorials on the ATs like JCG, wavedashing, etc.

If they accept something to gain from playing Melee, and they know they exercise, simply it has not (up to that point) been in their nature to play competitively, how tin can they exist shifted toward competition?
One time they get good, ask them if they desire to go to a tournament with you lot. If you're like me and take a really crappy smash scene and so you could just have competitive sets with him at abode. Like explain the concept of random stages and counter-picking and play beginning to iii, first to v, etc.

Simply well-nigh chiefly, they accept to similar information technology. If they don't really like it, and I know its painful for someone you're close to to not share that same passion as you, there's really nothing you lot can practise most it. Simply play uncompetitive Melee or play the B word <--- sounds like irreverence I know. Just don't force it haha.

c2!

Being a veteran mvc2 role player, I had that misguided perception of competitive smash that alot of the more than conventional fighting game players seem to accept. 'information technology's kiddy' or 'coherent button smashing' or something along those lines, so I never really had any interest in playing it. All information technology actually took for me to see how awesome this game is, and what I could be capable of in this game was to run across a few crazy videos of Mango / DrPP / M2K. My buddy simply happened to be showing someone a video of Mango vs Fly Aminita, where Mango gets pissed and four stocks IC with Falcon, and ever since I've been very curious about melee.

I may but be getting into information technology, but at least that's a practiced example of what it takes to become somebody to want to play it. Gotta give them something to work towards.

Varist

Cheers everyone for the input, and give thanks you Massive for being gay.

**** you massive

(JMoney'due south post was great btw. i took the virtually from it.)

rawrimamonster

From my experience a casual player will never stick with melee for long, they have to be someone who has seen youtube vids (on their ain), seen awesome gameplay and says to themselves "oh **** i wanna be that proficient" and trains themselves hard and is ready to get destroyed at tourneys until they get amend. OR they've started make new to the game (repeat youtube) with a friend and they both came up playing together in skill. You're probably only gonna anger the kid into ragequitting since hes a brawl coincidental.

Best suggestion ITT was let him picket youtube vids and slowly egg him on into getting better. Since hes a peach player show him armada vids. Its good that he already has smash feel with brawl (though thats honestly the worst place to start) information technology'll help since he already knows the basics. Balance your playtime between brawl and melee and slowly nudge them into melee.

Find New People to Play Again Melee

How to introduce someone to Melee?

Krynxe

I can't pronounce information technology either

Krynxe

I can't pronounce information technology either

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